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Tisha b’Av: Mourning the Churban After 2000 Years?

Tisha b’Av: Mourning the Churban After 2000 Years?

by R Yosef Gavriel Bechhofer · Published August 14, 2016 · Updated April 1, 2020

Posted 4 years ago by R Yosef Gavriel Bechhofer

A shiur on why and how we mourn an event that is ancient history.

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